and have any old dishnetwork receivers sitting around, stick them on ebay, youll get a good 150-200 for each one. Reason being, the cardless receievers that hackers have created in the past have been rendered useless. The cardless receivers were made to incorporate a card in case the day ever came for the need to go back to using cards. That day is here so the demand is HIGH. Like I said, if you have any old receivers with cards laying around from dishnetwork, get them on ebay asap, youll make some money.